Problem of Evil.

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What is the logical problem of evil?
inconsistent triad-God's existence, his omnipotence, benevolence and science and the existence of evil cannot co-exist.
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What is the evidential problem of evil?
The vast amounts of evil across the globe and our timeline, Evil is more evidential that God's existence or that of his predicates.
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innocent suffering?
even if you say that evil is a result of sin it still befalls the innocent, why?
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Augustian theodicy-go
There is no evil, only an absence of good created by the fall. We are seminally present in the loins of adam so we're still responsible. "red in tooth and claw" natural evil.
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positives?
it solves the triad, and explains natural and innocent suffering.
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negatives?
contradicts God's omnipresence, seminal presence defies science, it doesn't justify evil, it hurts animals so that's still innocent suffering, it also contradicts omnibenevolence.
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Irenaean theodicy?
Eden is a goal, not a start point. Evil is here so that we can ascend to the level of god genuinely, by learning and becoming moral people. We are also meant to turn the world into Eden,it helps and harms us but will improve as we do.
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the good?
in a way it answers the triad..
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the bad?
what about the suffering of innocence? if these are just to make us stronger the it really doesn't justify.
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The ugly (that's you) also, Swinburne's free will defence?
God wants us to be moral agents, If we are forced to do it we are not humans as agents. we are tools. Actions are only good if we choose them freely. So god can't make a world where there are free agents who only do good.
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this is a continuation of Swinburne. just flip it.
God is good because he gives us every oppurtunity to become good. he is powerful because he does everything logically possible to make us free moral agents. a free world where moral agents only do good is impossible.
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a critique?
It is often the consequences of evil things that are the issue- the problem isn't that I stabbed you, its that it hurt, you bled out and died.
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answer to the critique:
If there were no consequences for others then we would not be morally responsible. if all my actions only affected me i would only do good to benefit myself. I would be selfish. morso than usual
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second part of the answer
Having our actions affect others helps us develop characteristics like bravery and compassion without which we couldn't ascent to the level of God.
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now.....swinburne on freedom!
God may not intervene with certain things we see as bad, because some positives occur from non-intervention. also, it is human's job to overcome an issue not God's, it is how we develop "core characteristics"
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But-but!
Why does such extreme suffering have to happen to secure positive moral characteristics?
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answer to previous.
If these moral characteristics came easily, then you might not think hard about or work hard to develop these characteristics.
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anything else for Swinburne?
Suffering which really challenges will provide the level of reflection needed to develop. the sheer amount of evil connotes God's high expectations of us. extreme tests make us stronger. Through jesus he knows the extremity of life's tests.
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and finally? anything else you can think of?
through Jesus God experienced death and can share the challenge of dealing with suffering.
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Plantinga's free will defence?
God allows for small amounts of evil to happen to allow for a greater good, usually directly liked with it to occur-small pain of injection for a vaccination. to remove the evil would remove the good.
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process theodicy. Explain it best as you can and so will I
We learn from experiences and so does God, He learns with humanity. he is primordial, meaning he knows of all the eternal possibilities for advancement of the creaturely world. and consequent, meaning he changes in response to the creaturely world.
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what does process theodicy imply that God knows?
he knows all possible outcomes but not which one will occur, they're not true until they happen. he knows his own future though. not sure how.
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What does Dostoevsky believe?
The end does not justify the means. there must be atonement, no harmony, but it can't undo the suffering. innocent suffering? Hell is contradictory.we forgive others for harming us but we cannot give the forgiveness of the killed-no harmony.
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How does Augustine answer the problem of natural evil?
He says that when we ate from the tree of knowledge we severed the link between ourselves and nature, It is "A penal consequence of sin"
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how did Iranaeus answer the problem of natural evil?
It sets a particular challenge for us to overcome to develop-it is apparently purposeless, which means that the moral development is even greater.
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